diff --git a/examples/phrasebook/SentencesFin.gf b/examples/phrasebook/SentencesFin.gf
index 68644d1bf..1fcbb7b9b 100644
--- a/examples/phrasebook/SentencesFin.gf
+++ b/examples/phrasebook/SentencesFin.gf
@@ -1,6 +1,7 @@
 concrete SentencesFin of Sentences = NumeralFin ** SentencesI - 
   [Is, IsMass, NameNN, ObjMass,
    IFemale, YouFamFemale, YouPolFemale, IMale, YouFamMale, YouPolMale,
+   NPPlace, CNPlace, placeNP, mkCNPlace, mkCNPlacePl,
    GObjectPlease
   ] with 
   (Syntax = SyntaxFin),
@@ -10,6 +11,18 @@ concrete SentencesFin of Sentences = NumeralFin ** SentencesI -
 
   flags optimize = noexpand ;
 
+  oper
+    NPPlace = {name : NP ; at : Adv ; to : Adv ; from : Adv} ;
+    CNPlace = {name : CN ; at : Prep ; to : Prep ; from : Prep ; isPl : Bool} ;
+
+  placeNP : Det -> CNPlace -> NPPlace = \det,kind ->
+    let name : NP = mkNP det kind.name in {
+      name = name ;
+      at = mkAdv kind.at name ;
+      to = mkAdv kind.to name ;
+      from = mkAdv kind.from name
+    } ;
+
   lin 
     Is item prop = mkCl item (V.UseComp (CompPartAP prop)) ; -- tämä pizza on herkullista
     IsMass mass prop = mkCl (mkNP a_Det mass) (V.UseComp (CompPartAP prop)) ; -- pizza on herkullista
diff --git a/examples/phrasebook/WordsDut.gf b/examples/phrasebook/WordsDut.gf
index 5bbfe45f4..7c4037141 100644
--- a/examples/phrasebook/WordsDut.gf
+++ b/examples/phrasebook/WordsDut.gf
@@ -221,10 +221,10 @@ ik ga te voet/ ik ga lopend
 -- transports
 
     HowFar place = mkQS (mkQCl far_IAdv place.name) ; -- hoe ver is de dierentuin
-    HowFarFrom x y = mkQS (mkQCl far_IAdv (mkNP y.name (SyntaxDut.mkAdv from_Prep x.name))) ;
+    HowFarFrom x y = mkQS (mkQCl far_IAdv (mkNP y.name (SyntaxDut.mkAdv van_Prep x.name))) ;
 -- how far is the center from the hotel ? hoever is het centrum van het hotel
     HowFarFromBy x y t = 
-      mkQS (mkQCl far_IAdv (mkNP (mkNP y.name (SyntaxDut.mkAdv from_Prep x.name)) t)) ;
+      mkQS (mkQCl far_IAdv (mkNP (mkNP y.name (SyntaxDut.mkAdv van_Prep x.name)) t)) ;
 --hoelang duurt het om van het vliegveld naar het hotel te gaan per taxi
     HowFarBy y t = mkQS (mkQCl far_IAdv (mkNP y.name t)) ; --hoe ver is het museum per bus
  
@@ -265,6 +265,7 @@ ik ga te voet/ ik ga lopend
 
   mkSuperl : A -> Det = \a -> SyntaxDut.mkDet the_Art (SyntaxDut.mkOrd a) ;
 
+  van_Prep = P.mkPrep "van" ;
 
 {- 
     HowFarFrom : how far is the center from the hotel ? hoe ver is het centrum van het hotel
diff --git a/examples/phrasebook/WordsFin.gf b/examples/phrasebook/WordsFin.gf
index 9f6fe16e3..e8dcfe9be 100644
--- a/examples/phrasebook/WordsFin.gf
+++ b/examples/phrasebook/WordsFin.gf
@@ -60,7 +60,7 @@ concrete WordsFin of Words = SentencesFin **
     School = mkPlace (mkN "koulu") lla ;
 
     CitRestaurant cit = {
-      name = mkCN cit (mkN "ravintola") ; at = casePrep inessive ; to = casePrep illative; isPl = False
+      name = mkCN cit (mkN "ravintola") ; at = casePrep inessive ; to = casePrep illative; from = casePrep elative ; isPl = False
       } ;
     Parking = mkPlace (mkN "pysäköinti" (mkN "alue")) lla ;
     Supermarket = mkPlace (mkN "supermarket") ssa ;
@@ -198,10 +198,10 @@ concrete WordsFin of Words = SentencesFin **
 
     HowFar place = mkQS (mkQCl far_IAdv place.name) ;
     HowFarFrom x y = 
-      mkQS (mkQCl far_IAdv (mkCl y.name (SyntaxFin.mkAdv from_Prep x.name))) ;
+      mkQS (mkQCl far_IAdv (mkCl y.name x.from)) ;
     HowFarFromBy x y t = 
       mkQS (mkQCl far_IAdv (mkCl y.name 
-        (mkVP (mkVP (SyntaxFin.mkAdv from_Prep x.name)) t))) ;
+        (mkVP (mkVP x.from) t))) ;
     HowFarBy place t = 
       mkQS (mkQCl far_IAdv (mkCl place.name t)) ;
       -- mkQS (mkQCl (mkIAdv far_IAdv t) y.name) ; 
@@ -242,10 +242,11 @@ concrete WordsFin of Words = SentencesFin **
        habitual = ParadigmsFin.mkAdv s
       } ;
 
-    mkPlace : N -> Bool -> {name : CN ; at : Prep ; to : Prep; isPl : Bool} = \p,e -> {
+    mkPlace : N -> Bool -> {name : CN ; at : Prep ; to : Prep; from : Prep ; isPl : Bool} = \p,e -> {
       name = mkCN p ;
       at = casePrep (if_then_else Case e adessive inessive) ;  -- True: external
       to = casePrep (if_then_else Case e allative illative) ;
+      from = casePrep (if_then_else Case e ablative elative) ;
       isPl = False   
    } ;
     ssa = False ;
diff --git a/examples/phrasebook/WordsGer.gf b/examples/phrasebook/WordsGer.gf
index 80455db00..b3b732cc4 100644
--- a/examples/phrasebook/WordsGer.gf
+++ b/examples/phrasebook/WordsGer.gf
@@ -208,9 +208,9 @@ CitRestaurant cit = mkCNPlace (mkCN cit  (mkN "Restaurant" "Restaurants" neuter)
 
 
     HowFar place = mkQS (mkQCl far_IAdv place.name) ;
-    HowFarFrom x y = mkQS (mkQCl far_IAdv (mkNP (mkNP y.name (SyntaxGer.mkAdv from_Prep x.name)) (ParadigmsGer.mkAdv "entfernt"))) ;
+    HowFarFrom x y = mkQS (mkQCl far_IAdv (mkNP (mkNP y.name (SyntaxGer.mkAdv von_Prep x.name)) (ParadigmsGer.mkAdv "entfernt"))) ;
     HowFarFromBy x y t = 
-      mkQS (mkQCl far_IAdv (mkCl (mkVP (SyntaxGer.mkAdv zu_Prep (mkNP (mkNP y.name (SyntaxGer.mkAdv from_Prep x.name)) t))))) ;
+      mkQS (mkQCl far_IAdv (mkCl (mkVP (SyntaxGer.mkAdv zu_Prep (mkNP (mkNP y.name (SyntaxGer.mkAdv von_Prep x.name)) t))))) ;
     HowFarBy y t = mkQS (mkQCl far_IAdv (mkCl (mkVP (SyntaxGer.mkAdv zu_Prep (mkNP y.name t))))) ;
  
     WhichTranspPlace trans place =